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Post by Lobstrosity on Jul 9, 2005 17:40:40 GMT -5
No I would not be okay with it. I would be thinking, "that was stupid of me." But I would have lost my money fair and square, by making the decision to give it away. Btw, that is a very weird example.
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Post by Azan on Jul 9, 2005 17:53:30 GMT -5
Okay you wouldnt be okay with it but what if there was a law saying you couldnt transfer you bank account when you are intoxicated (not saying that you would be but its an example) you probably wouldnt be happy when you tried to transfer your money but afterwards when you were normal again im positive you would be happy they had that law that prevented you from transfering money, and if you still wanted to transfer your money you could when you were yourself and you would probably be okay with it, its the same thing if you want to die you can when you arent intoxicated.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jul 9, 2005 20:28:03 GMT -5
1. that would be a stupid law 2. Supposing I wanted to do something constructive with the money in my account while I was intoxicated. It's not impossible to make good decisions while high.
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Post by Azan on Jul 9, 2005 21:01:37 GMT -5
But the sad part is is that many people can get away with money by using drugs on a person, its like truth serium, the person will do whatever they are told.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jul 10, 2005 0:12:58 GMT -5
1. No such thing (not really, there is that one sodium thing but that doesn't necesarily force people to do anything) 2. Never heard of anything like that happening 3. Off topic
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Post by Azan on Jul 10, 2005 10:41:01 GMT -5
1: yes it makes your mind more seseptable, even alcohol can do the trick 2: its happened before to get prisoners to give away information 3: no because im using an analogy, you have already said you wouldnt like to give away all your money so would you like to take away your life when you werent yourself, when you were back to normal (off the painkillers) you would be much more rational and the thought of killing yourself could be proposterous
which is why if you are going to decide to take away your life you should have something on a note like if I am on painkillers and I want to kill myself then let me
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jul 10, 2005 11:24:30 GMT -5
Fine, then everyone who wants to die needs a note. I'm writing mine right now
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Post by KiddoFreak on Jul 10, 2005 15:07:27 GMT -5
wow... an actual DEBATE. I'm happy. Alright, I had to think about this for a long time one night, and once more, my opinion is cloudy and moderate. Both sides of my argument have already been posted. I'm curious though, what about the economic stand point? Killing yourself effectively reduces the working force of the country, not much - probably not enough to make a difference, but anyone who is as obsessed with getting perfect stats as me in pokemon games knows this: every little tiny battle makes a little tiny difference. Despite this being quite cliche - each person makes a difference in the world, even if it's a small one. Then again, I can argue with myself: I am a kind of fatalist, the kind who believes that each action (or inaction) will somehow lead you to whichever death you ultimately deserve. Alright, now on to the other points. Much the same point I made about abortion: you have the choice to do things. Getting high and doing something stupid was your fault. It was your choice for getting high. If you blame a party, it was your fault for choosing to go to the party. If you blame friends it was your fault for choosing those friends. Which was my point against abortions in which the baby was caused during a rape before which someone clearly intoxicated themselves. The stupid descision isnt made when you are high, it was made before you got high, or drunk, or painkillered up. One more reason I'm against marijuana for medical purposes. The legal document written before such treatments seemed like a good idea, though they already have something like it. Its a paper you sign which states that you have said you would like to be DNR (Do not resecitate(sp?)). Anyhoo, I think I'm against euthenasia in most cases. Let me give you a little conversation I had with myself once. This proves that "euthenasia" is a funny word: "Oh, those poor victims of euthenasia..." "Yeah, I hear japanese teenagers are hell."
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Post by Sad Baby Green on Jul 14, 2005 11:58:19 GMT -5
Shannon, everyone has the right to die. You say suicide hurts others? Maybe so, but it's their decision to be hurt by what you do. They have a choice. Isn't freedom a wonderful thing? Yeah but I was saying that as a point to anyone who maybe thinking of suicide and think that their death wouldnt affect anyone else when it really does.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jul 15, 2005 0:48:42 GMT -5
Fair enough, but the same is not true of everyone.
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Post by Azan on Jul 15, 2005 17:16:04 GMT -5
Well im just sticking with my "You need a note from yourself to kill yourself deal" it sounds crazy (liberal) but im sticking to that, and anyone who enters this debate should take a look at previous posts as several good point were made.
but Lobstrosity it may not be true of everyone but you cant take that chance, other people will get hurt emosionaly and physicaly.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jul 15, 2005 17:50:55 GMT -5
but Lobstrosity it may not be true of everyone but you cant take that chance, other people will get hurt emosionaly and physicaly. That is, if they so choose.
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Post by GamerMan on Jul 17, 2005 16:47:22 GMT -5
wow... an actual DEBATE. I'm happy. Alright, I had to think about this for a long time one night, and once more, my opinion is cloudy and moderate. Both sides of my argument have already been posted. I'm curious though, what about the economic stand point? Killing yourself effectively reduces the working force of the country, not much - probably not enough to make a difference, but anyone who is as obsessed with getting perfect stats as me in pokemon games knows this: every little tiny battle makes a little tiny difference. Despite this being quite cliche - each person makes a difference in the world, even if it's a small one. Then again, I can argue with myself: I am a kind of fatalist, the kind who believes that each action (or inaction) will somehow lead you to whichever death you ultimately deserve. Alright, now on to the other points. Much the same point I made about abortion: you have the choice to do things. Getting high and doing something stupid was your fault. It was your choice for getting high. If you blame a party, it was your fault for choosing to go to the party. If you blame friends it was your fault for choosing those friends. Which was my point against abortions in which the baby was caused during a rape before which someone clearly intoxicated themselves. The stupid descision isnt made when you are high, it was made before you got high, or drunk, or painkillered up. One more reason I'm against marijuana for medical purposes. The legal document written before such treatments seemed like a good idea, though they already have something like it. Its a paper you sign which states that you have said you would like to be DNR (Do not resecitate(sp?)). Anyhoo, I think I'm against euthenasia in most cases. Let me give you a little conversation I had with myself once. This proves that "euthenasia" is a funny word: "Oh, those poor victims of euthenasia..." "Yeah, I hear japanese teenagers are hell." economically, it would not have a negative effect. The majority of people who would ask for it would be those outside the labor pool who have diseases and consume without producing anything (though they consume off of things they produced prior. Plus. euthenasia can be done even if its illegal, all you have to do is go to switzerland and order your assisted suiside due to illness there, and no nation can do anything about you asking for it in switzerland since its legal there.
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Post by chica on Jul 21, 2005 18:17:29 GMT -5
sometimes when choices have to do with the heart you cannot choose NOT to care. I mean yes you can say to yourself that you don't care but you really do. your heart does things the brain cannot comprehend and being affected by someone's death is one of those things. the heart does not make rational decisions and deciding to be affected or not affected is very hard and that is the job of the heart.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jul 21, 2005 18:39:08 GMT -5
I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree. Maybe you're right that the heart can act like that, but the brain is the boss and anyone can put their heart in it's place if they choose to do so.
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