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Post by chica on Jul 2, 2005 23:51:53 GMT -5
so what! we do a lot of unconstitutional stuff nowadays anyways but he does have a poingt Azan. and anyway it's our decision and like lobstrostiy said what if god gave us the decision to decide whether or not to live?
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Post by Azan on Jul 3, 2005 12:17:35 GMT -5
All im saying is you can kill yourself if you want but if the person is in a current state that would make their desision making different they shouldnt be allowed to, (when there are other things like being put to sleep untill you die, its the same thing only natural)
and let it be known that im all for letting a person whos like in a coma go off life support but im against the person taking like a sionide pill to kill them, its unatural.
i mean if you had to choose between two people to make a good desision would you choose a high person or a not high person?
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Post by Sad Baby Green on Jul 3, 2005 18:37:52 GMT -5
Okay, I use to think I had the right to die. But, I dont anymore. I think that it isnt your right to do that to people. If I were to kill myself, I would hurt so many people. I mean why do you have the right to die and make it so that people are hurt or may even want to die after you do. Also, I dont think I is anyones right to choose who dies and who doesnt. I mean it would most likely be your parents right anyways. They put you in this world and they could take you out. But also, after doing so they wouldnt want that right anymore.
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Post by chica on Jul 3, 2005 19:13:24 GMT -5
i get what you mean but I am talking about life support adn stuff not actually hurting yourself to make yourself die or commiting brutal suicide that is just stupid. and I also see your point on your parents decision it can also be the decision of a spouse which is also brought up in gay marriage and gay rights cases. I mean if you were gay and you were dying your partner should decide just like a regular wife/husband would. that's what i'm talking about not about commiting suicide because you are right, that would hurt a lot of people even if you don't think so
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Post by Sad Baby Green on Jul 3, 2005 20:51:27 GMT -5
Hmm...sorry misunderstopod the point of this...I would think that that would also be considered. But yeah I still think it isnt right for the same reasons just in a different format or point of view....
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jul 5, 2005 20:02:43 GMT -5
It's all the same thing. Suicide, euthenasia, etc. It doesn't matter what you call it, because it's all just the right to die. Everyone has their own decision making powers. Let them live their own lives, even to the point of not living their own lives.
Azan, I hate to do thins, but I must agree with Demon. DO NOT mix church and state. They are separate, so deal with it. Also you say people who are not in a state where they can make clear decisions shouldn't have the right to die. But whatever state they are in, they are still themselves, rights and all.
Shannon, everyone has the right to die. You say suicide hurts others? Maybe so, but it's their decision to be hurt by what you do. They have a choice. Isn't freedom a wonderful thing?
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Post by Azan on Jul 5, 2005 21:20:21 GMT -5
Azan, I hate to do thins, but I must agree with Demon. DO NOT mix church and state. They are separate, so deal with it. Also you say people who are not in a state where they can make clear decisions shouldn't have the right to die. But whatever state they are in, they are still themselves, rights and all. Church and state? its a matter of morality, im merely showing the popular moral view of most americans and how it influenced my own desision I am not bringing church into state merely using it as an example, demon please know what you are talking about before you make accusations. (sorry if I misworded my posts but the ten commandments is basic morality it influenced my desision im not using that as anything else, that and to change the views of other christians) You cant stop people from killing themselves but you should try to stop them if they arent themselves, like if you were posessed and the thing controling you tried to kill you would you still be okay with that? those people are on a ton of pain killers they are barely consious, im all for p[ulling the plug just forced death. Why not? It's their own life, they shoudl be able to take it without anyone telling them they can't. Give me a reason why they shouldn't be allowed to. God created us, so really its his decision. No god gives us free choice, he doesnt interfier, there are no demons only humans we are the only evil and the only good in this world. i dont believe in demons at all, I only believe taht its us humans who make evil and its humans that makes hell hell. |
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jul 6, 2005 10:34:18 GMT -5
Even basic morals are based on some religion. Keeping church andstate separate is very important. Also, even a person on drugs is still himself. It's not like he'd be a different person. And as himself, he is entitled to the right to die.
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Post by Azan on Jul 6, 2005 10:39:51 GMT -5
Its like being high in fact when your on pain killers you are high your desision making is more irrational
and its not a matter of church and state its a matter of state and morality what the government has the right to do to interfier with other people lives, this argument can be made with abortion as well because the governemnt cant tell you whats moral and whats not, I was merely using the ten commandments as a refrence on christians because this is all about morality and your perception of it, christians are tought to have a certain perception which is why we are against murder etc. other cultures in the US may have different moral opinions on theses subjects so if you have one government that has laws of morality you are combining state and church, you being against abortion is technicaly combining state and church, now for this im all for people having the choice to die, but not when they are high.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jul 6, 2005 10:44:46 GMT -5
I don't know about all the other stuff you said being true, but a person who is high, no matter how irrational their decision making is, is still making their own decisions.
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Post by chica on Jul 6, 2005 21:06:37 GMT -5
no they are not. I am sorry but a person who is high is letting the drug make the decisions for them. and I still think that suicide is wrong. you have a life and you should live it and prove to yourself that you can get through anything, not just take the easy way out which is what suicide is. and it does effect other people, no matter what.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jul 7, 2005 9:46:47 GMT -5
1. A drug cannot make decisions
2. Maybe you should live your life, but it is yours to live the way you want. Only you have the authority over your life.
3. It only affects other people if they choose to be affected. That's really up to them.
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Post by Azan on Jul 7, 2005 14:11:48 GMT -5
Umm of course drugs effect your desision making where have your heard that they dont? they alter your brain chemistry you technicaly not even consious its like being in a dream.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jul 7, 2005 14:14:59 GMT -5
It affects your decision making, but a drug does not make decisions. Therefore any decision you make is your own.
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Post by Azan on Jul 9, 2005 10:43:36 GMT -5
So if you were high, then you gave away all of your money you would be okay with it after you were high? because thats basicaly the same thing here.
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