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Post by chica on May 25, 2005 15:36:06 GMT -5
i think you should be able to choose when to die especially if you are already dying I mean look at million dollar baby that was a really good movie and it is so true in so many cases.
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Post by Lobstrosity on May 25, 2005 15:42:51 GMT -5
never saw it, but I agree. You have a right to say when you are gonna die, it just makes sense.
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Post by chica on May 25, 2005 15:58:22 GMT -5
exaclty I mean it's your life if you wanna end it and it's already coming to an end then you should have the say. I mean people do it for animals why can't we do it for ourselves?
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Post by Vash on May 25, 2005 17:47:24 GMT -5
I think if your really sick/suffering and already know and are 100% sure that you will die soon, then you should be able to end the pain.
But suicide is wrong, and I know I used to think about suicide all the time, but I believe its wrong.
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Post by Azan on May 25, 2005 18:05:17 GMT -5
Euthinasea is just a fancy term for SUICIDE its basicaly the same thing, a human ending his/hers own suffering, you dont have the right over your own life, if theres still life left in you just take a bunch of drugs, sidate yourself you wont suffer and you wont be dead, and there is no 100% chance you are gonna die with any disease, as long as there is even a tiny bit of hope never woose out.
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Post by Lobstrosity on May 25, 2005 18:30:36 GMT -5
If I was dying, and I was in pain, and I was fully capable of making decisions, and I decided I wanted to kill myself, would you try to stop me? Would you, Azan? Would you try to stop me? Phantom-Vash? Would you try to stop me? Would either of you try to talk me out of it, or even go as far as to make a law that took that decision away from me? Would you?
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Post by Vash on May 25, 2005 18:32:46 GMT -5
If I was dying, and I was in pain, and I was fully capable of making decisions, and I decided I wanted to kill myself, would you try to stop me? Would you, Azan? Would you try to stop me? Phantom-Vash? Would you try to stop me? Would either of you try to talk me out of it, or even go as far as to make a law that took that decision away from me? Would you? Hmm, you have a good point...I mean, I wouldn't want you to suffer, but I wouldn't want you to die either...BTW, you didn't ask Chica,
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Post by Azan on May 25, 2005 18:36:36 GMT -5
If I was dying, and I was in pain, and I was fully capable of making decisions, and I decided I wanted to kill myself, would you try to stop me? Would you, Azan? Would you try to stop me? Phantom-Vash? Would you try to stop me? Would either of you try to talk me out of it, or even go as far as to make a law that took that decision away from me? Would you? If I didnt stop you I would call you weak, the fact is is that when people are faced with pain their desision making becomes quite irrational when you can just be sudated. lets see Death or just sleep, both offer the same effect
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Post by Lobstrosity on May 25, 2005 18:38:05 GMT -5
Chica's on my side in general, but I'll ask her.
(Chica see above questions, but use your name in place of Azan's or Phantom-Vash's)
I'm sure you wouldn't want me to die (I hope), but me just sitting there suffering won't be doing anyone any good.
Go ahead and call me weak, Azan, but I know what I'm doing, and I know what I want more than you. Sedatives just delay the inevitable, and me sitting there sleeping isn't a whole lot of fun for anyone, especially me.
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Post by Azan on May 25, 2005 18:41:18 GMT -5
So you would rather kill yourself than simply just live (although unconsios) for anotehr week?
Edited: of course I am only against it when there is that option of being unconsous, if it was lets say on a battle field I would kill someone who was about to die (and I have had to do it to several animals, with my bare hands before)
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Post by Lobstrosity on May 25, 2005 18:42:45 GMT -5
Yes, I believe I would. Would you like to argue that you know what I want for myself more than me? Or do you just like watching people live in suffering, or sleep?
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Post by Vash on May 25, 2005 18:43:33 GMT -5
So you would rather kill yourself than simply just live (although unconsios) for anotehr week? well, it would be kinda pointless to live unconsiously for a week wouldn't it? I can understand living that week awake though. (And remember, I still don't want Lobstrosity to die in the first place.)
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Post by Azan on May 25, 2005 18:44:17 GMT -5
Yes but theres always the chance of you living/pulling through, its always there and im not one to give up So you would rather kill yourself than simply just live (although unconsios) for anotehr week? Edited: of course I am only against it when there is that option of being unconsous, if it was lets say on a battle field I would kill someone who was about to die (and I have had to do it to several animals, with my bare hands before)
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Post by Vash on May 25, 2005 18:45:54 GMT -5
Yes but theres always the chance of you living/pulling through, its always there and im not one to give up That is a good point... BTW, can I ask how that was killing something with your bare hands?
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Post by Azan on May 25, 2005 18:46:38 GMT -5
(sorry for the double post)
But this onyl applies to people who are consious, if u are in a coma there is a point where I will pull the plug,
also vash, Lobstrosity are u for suicide?
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