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Post by Azan on May 25, 2005 21:23:32 GMT -5
Killing yourself is against one of the ten commandments, though shall not kill (yes this applies to any form of killing), I would rather die more naturaly than be put down by euthinasea, and me commiting a mortal sin is not how I want to end my life.
unless you are unconsious, and 100% sure you will die, or remain in a vegitative state it is not ok (in my opinion)
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Post by chica on May 26, 2005 16:26:19 GMT -5
yes but there is a bunch of people killing others and they are breaking the commendment and then the people who are killing the killers are breaking it too so why not actually have the choice yourself?
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Post by chica on May 26, 2005 16:27:32 GMT -5
yes but there is a bunch of people killing others and they are breaking the commendment and then the people who are killing the killers are breaking it too so why not actually have the choice yourself?
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jun 17, 2005 11:42:10 GMT -5
I understand that killing people (even yourself) is against the bible, but at some point, I just don't care about that. Especially if you think about how many people don't even believe in the bible. How are you gonna stop them from killing themselves?
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Post by Azan on Jun 17, 2005 11:56:26 GMT -5
You bring up an exelent point, but I dont believe in segregation, ill I say is that no doctor should be allowed to take someones life even if the patient wishes it because they are thinking more irrationaly in the face of death, (allthough pulling the plug if they cant be saved is ok) it has little to do with the bible or anything its a matter of what doctors can legaly do and forcefully killing somone in an unatural way to ease their suffer is not right. (then again it depends on how you define it, im against a doctor or patient eating poison to escape pain, but if the patient is on life support and going to die its ok, in my opinion)
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jun 17, 2005 12:16:29 GMT -5
What if the patient is able to kill him/herself without the aid of a doctor? Would that be alright? Because if you're just worried about the doctor not being able to kill the patient, then maybe you could let the patient do it.
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Post by Azan on Jun 17, 2005 12:27:43 GMT -5
I would still be against it, and if the patient has the power to kill themselves then they likely have the chance to live, but theres no way to stop people from commiting seuicide, but if they are in a hospital they shouldnt have that option.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jun 17, 2005 21:02:19 GMT -5
Why not? It's their own life, they shoudl be able to take it without anyone telling them they can't. Give me a reason why they shouldn't be allowed to.
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Post by Azan on Jun 17, 2005 21:11:25 GMT -5
B/c it may not be what they truely want, they may think irrationaly, like if they are on drugs, for me its just a simple moral thing.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jun 17, 2005 23:14:50 GMT -5
If anyone ever says anything ever, you can be sure it's what they want. Otherwise, they wouldn't say it.
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Post by Vash on Jun 18, 2005 22:35:08 GMT -5
Why not? It's their own life, they shoudl be able to take it without anyone telling them they can't. Give me a reason why they shouldn't be allowed to. God created us, so really its his decision.
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Post by chica on Jun 19, 2005 15:16:57 GMT -5
yes be god also created us to think for ourselves, so how do you explain that? and Azan I am not saying that suicide is good what I am saying is that if they are gonna be in a chamber for the rest of their life, or on an oxygen tank, or not be able to actually live their own life the way they want then I think we should let them decide whether they want to live that life or if they wanna go back to God. i'm not saying it's okay to commit suicide
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Post by Vash on Jun 19, 2005 22:24:15 GMT -5
yes be god also created us to think for ourselves, so how do you explain that? We are meant to think for ourselves, but think of it this way, humans are imperfect, God is perfect, who would you rather have decide?
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jun 19, 2005 22:26:13 GMT -5
You are forgetting about those who don't believe in God. Also, what if it's God's decision to let us decide to die?
Never forget: You don't need a reason to die
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Post by Niccolo on Jun 19, 2005 23:06:00 GMT -5
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." -The Bill of Rights, 1st Amendment
You see that, Azan? That means that you are not allowed to mingle church and state, and what you are proposing is just that. A country ruled by the beliefs of a single religion is one of despotry and fasism. That is why a secular government is needed in a democratic society. Saying that one should not be allowed to thake one's own life based on your faith, when the law says they can (in this case) then that is attempting to impose religion on a state issue, and is unconstitutional.
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