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Post by Azan on Apr 14, 2005 15:16:33 GMT -5
I personnaly am against it as it not only costs more to have someone executed than life in prison its all so inhuman as inmates are forced to wait months to be executed, also theres the chance of executing an innocent, plus overall I belive that no human has the right to take a life away even if it is his own life (of course this is the Catholic view point on it and being catholic this is what I was tought so it may influence this), even if it be in war it may be ok but it doesnt mean its not right to kill someone, allthough I am not against war, and I belive the only reason to use the death penalty is for treason, even if someone killed a bunch of people I say let them rot/suffer the rest of their life in prison. Well lets hear other viewpoints?
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Post by Umbrafire on Apr 14, 2005 15:27:25 GMT -5
i believe that in most cases, the death penalty is wrong. why should we, as humans, have the power to give death to the living, when we do not have the power to give life to the dead? however, I voted "somewhat for it" because I believe that there are some terrorists that have commited so many horrible crimes, that in only those cases, would they deserve to die. also, how would the american public feel if a national threat was captured and was just kept in a cell? not very satisfied, that's for sure
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Post by Azan on Apr 14, 2005 15:58:34 GMT -5
Yeah with me its basicaly the same thought, like I said it should only be used for cases of treason, or federal cases, never state cases, Terrorists though need to be made an example of and if we just stuck our terrorists in jail, other terrorists would be like hey america is weak lets go kill them, then again most terrorists want to die..., so ill stick with treason
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Post by Lobstrosity on Apr 14, 2005 16:51:53 GMT -5
Well now, I think in most cases, a killer deserves to die. It's only more expensive to execute someone because the system needs to be made more streamlined.
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Post by Azan on Apr 14, 2005 17:11:48 GMT -5
Im gonna have to agree with you on making it faster and cheaper, but the thing is is unless the killer actualy is seen on a camera killing someone or we have overwhelming evidence that he is at fault then I would be more open to it, but I think that the whole eye for an eye thing within america has got to stop, and in fact most are just insane so they should rot in prison with depression, I dont think they diserve a quick death, although I do agree with eye for an eye in war, just not our own people.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Apr 14, 2005 17:16:16 GMT -5
So you would sooner attack a country than kill an American murderer?
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Post by Azan on Apr 14, 2005 17:26:06 GMT -5
no im saying peady eye for an eye crap is only ok when you are defending innocent people (notice I never said that I would sooner attack a country, but wen already in war, use eye for an eye in battles)(if a murderer is in jail he wont hurt anyone but other inmates, so you shove him in solitary confinment), to have a murderer killed can cause great bad, because the person could be innocent, or they could have vital info on a case
Think of it this way lets say your mom(or a loved one) killed a bunch of people even if she admited she did it, would you want her dead, even knowing that she killed lets say 2 people? or if you were accused of a murder and put on death row(think of if you are innocent or actualy guilty), just think what the agony would feel like of knowing you will die within the year?
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Post by Lobstrosity on Apr 14, 2005 18:08:45 GMT -5
No agony whatsoever. The odds are that I won't be put on death row, especially since I don't plan on commiting murder any time soon. Also I know that everyone I care about will not be commiting murder either, so i'm not even gonna worry about that. Furthermore, if anyone did commit murder, they wouldn't get the DP because this is Minnesota, and MN has no DP.
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Post by Niccolo on Apr 14, 2005 19:34:38 GMT -5
In criminal cases, it is simply wrong to take anyone's life. I just don't think It's in our jurisdiction to deprive another, no matter how horrible that person may be, of their life. Furthermore, I don't think our justice system is at all efective. All it does is punish, when instead it could use constructive programs to turn criminals into productive members of society. Sounds hippie, I know, but it just seems so much more positive to society to do that.
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Post by Azan on Apr 14, 2005 19:36:39 GMT -5
well im saying if you did comit murder or you were accused of a crime you didnt commit, I think your trying to get out of the thought, and as for it being minnesota, lets assume you were in texas, and put on death row even though you were innocent, no offense but you are lying when you say you would feel no agony (just assume that none of your loved ones killed anyone and they were going to be someone just executed for a crime they didnt comit) and of course I agree with the famouse quote "It is far better to have 1000 guilty men go free than to have an innocent man condemed" or however that quote went
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Post by Lobstrosity on Apr 14, 2005 19:45:35 GMT -5
Perhaps you'd like to describe such a justice system in which hardened criminals and homocidal psycho crazy killers can be turned into productive members of society
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Post by Niccolo on Apr 14, 2005 19:46:46 GMT -5
T'isnt my field of specialty.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Apr 14, 2005 19:48:43 GMT -5
Well then allow me to explain that the idea of being killed for a crime will cause muderers to think twice before dismembering and eating 16 innocent people.
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Post by Azan on Apr 14, 2005 19:53:14 GMT -5
yes im gonna have to agree that criminals who have a life sentence are so crazy that they have no hope of being functioning members of society
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Post by Azan on Apr 14, 2005 19:59:11 GMT -5
Well then allow me to explain that the idea of being killed for a crime will cause muderers to think twice before dismembering and eating 16 innocent people. but lobstrosity those type of murders are passion murders, or the people are soo crazy they arent going to care if they get the death penalty because they have no thought of consequence almost at all, thats why they do those things, dont get me wrong the death penalty does help the murder rate, but it doesnt stop things as horrible as that. and lobstrosity you havent answered my previous question, how would you feel if you were on death row for a crime you didnt commit? (and this was in texas)
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