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Post by Lobstrosity on Jun 8, 2005 16:35:26 GMT -5
Actually no, there are smoking and non-smoking sections. People who choose to sit near smokers do so at their own risk. Businessmen who are smart will have well ventilated smoking areas to attract both smoking and non-smoking customers.
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Post by chica on Jun 9, 2005 12:51:35 GMT -5
demon please! control your anger or whatever! I may not like the views that lobstrosity has but you are deadly wrong that he is heartless! and just because he sees differently than you (way way way differently) doesn't mean you have to insult him. you and he are titled to your own opinions.
first of all lobstrosity second hand smoking is just as dangerous and killing as smoking yourself. you say that we should stay away from smokers? but what about waiters who need the job to live who don't have any other choice? and especially mom's who are pregnant pass on the drug to their children!
second when you said 38,000 people were jerks you are mistaken. I learned this just a short while ago but it is the choices they make that are bad not them themselves. just because they made really bad decisions doesn't mean they are bad!
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jun 9, 2005 14:05:50 GMT -5
Well, they can all try their best to avoid smokers. If the job matters that much they should risk the smoke, or they could find a different job.
Well, a jerk's a jerk, and even a jerk has the decision to move away from smoking people.
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Post by chica on Jun 17, 2005 0:45:10 GMT -5
yes but the real jerk is the one who is smoking and killing himself/herself and all the people around him/her
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jun 17, 2005 1:02:06 GMT -5
The smoker has the right to kill him/herself by smoking, I think. Also recall what I said about moving away from smokers. You don't HAVE to sit there and breathe it.
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Post by chica on Jun 17, 2005 1:21:37 GMT -5
yes but you also don't HAVE to eat or HAVE to live I mean c'mon think of your fav restaraunts. do you wanna be dying while you are eating a good dinner? do ya?
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jun 17, 2005 2:05:36 GMT -5
if the restaurants stand to make more money by allowing smokers the choice to smoke, then they should be able to do it. Of course I don't want to be in the same room as smokers, but I can leave if they bother me.
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Post by chica on Jun 17, 2005 11:04:21 GMT -5
true but if smoking is allowed in EVERY restaraunt just because it makes more money how can you leave? yes I know you can but you would be reduced to having meals at home or take out food every night. I dunno about you but I don't want that.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jun 17, 2005 11:16:46 GMT -5
But it's still not up to me, it's up to the owners. If the owners lose people's business who prefer not to sit near smokers (btw, they could just have better ventilation and everyone would be happy) but they gian more business of people who like to smoke, then the business owner should be allowed to make the decision that would increase profit.
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Post by chica on Jun 17, 2005 11:20:21 GMT -5
yeah I can see your point but not every restaraunt is capable of buying better ventalation.
also what about the people on the streets smoking? they are hurting everyone around them and what's worse they are putting that poison into the air adn killing everyone indirectly. I mean you can't just not walk by them sometimes unless you wanna get hit by a car walking in the street.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jun 17, 2005 11:27:55 GMT -5
I don't know the facts, but i'm pretty sure any effect outdoor smoking has on the environment or people in the area is such a small effect that it's basically nothing. Outside is so well ventilated (obviously) that walking past the occasional smoking person will not harm you even slightly.
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Post by chica on Jun 19, 2005 15:32:35 GMT -5
what about family? like if you live in a family that smokes? second hand smoke can harm the kids even more than the adults. my mom is still permanantly sick from second hand smoke and my grandma blames my dads asthma on second hand smoking while she was pregnant with him and that may not have caused all of his conditions but it didn't help at all. and who gives the parents the cigarettes? TABACCO COMPANIES!
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jun 19, 2005 18:56:10 GMT -5
Okay, this is the first good point anyone has brought up against me on this subject so far. I'll have to think for a moment...
Maybe we could be a little more strict and come and take the children to a foster home if their family smokes. Don't like that idea? Well, we could always just say "too bad, kid. Learn to like smoke." Don't like that idea much either? Well, personally I think my last two ideas were better, but what if we restrict people with children from buying cigarettes or something. Or maybe make them cost more.
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Post by chica on Jul 2, 2005 23:56:01 GMT -5
yeah I like that idea but then there is the problem with knowing and being able to tell which people are the ones with children and family around that they are hurting? and even then they can just go outside or something and smoke on the street affecting whoever walks by or talks to them. I know I know, "well they shouldn't walk by them or talk to them" but still we have rights too. (we know eachother too well we even finish eachother's arguements lol)
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jul 5, 2005 20:20:00 GMT -5
Yeah. Anyways all I'm saying is that we let the smokers smoke their cigarettes. We let them ruin their lives. Don't talk to them if you don't want to. Do your very best to avoid them at all costs. Let them help the tobacco companies and kill themselves in the process. Is that so hard to ask?
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