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Post by chica on May 15, 2005 21:17:09 GMT -5
they'll come back no matter what lobstrosity so I wouldn't worry just yet
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Post by Lobstrosity on May 15, 2005 21:36:52 GMT -5
I'm not so sure they will. The media has already done it's damage. Our government class is almost all liberals. How many of them do you think will become conservative? Probably none of them, with Mr. C for a teacher.
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Post by chica on May 15, 2005 21:44:25 GMT -5
he said that most of them would as they grow up, and the adults in this country are the ones who can vote so most of the conservatives are the ones voting not the kids so the odds are in favor to you
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Post by Lobstrosity on May 15, 2005 21:48:59 GMT -5
Yes, but those statistics are from before the media corrupted them. Now, I doubt if they'll ever realize that conservatives are not bad people...
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Post by chica on May 15, 2005 21:51:37 GMT -5
uh hello!!!!!!!!! it's only their views they disagree with! not the people themselves. look at us! I don't hate you cuz of your views but I don't like you for your views either I like you for you
anyway enought mushy stuff it's just that liberals and conservatives have different views, not that one thinks if they believe that they are a bad person themself cuz that;s stupid
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Post by Lobstrosity on May 15, 2005 21:55:09 GMT -5
Sadly, I think that's what the media has already managed to do. If you ask people about conservatives and liberals in general, most people would say the difference is that conservatives only care about themselves and money. Now where did they get an idea like that, hmm?
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Post by chica on May 16, 2005 16:27:33 GMT -5
from their heads! not from tv I mean it might have a little to do with it but then if it does can't conservatives also do it? in the past I bet they have also "taken over the media" and brainwashed people like you are accusing liberals of doing
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Post by Lobstrosity on May 16, 2005 16:33:24 GMT -5
Yeah, maybe in the 50's. The conservative ideas don't have the power to get inside your head subconscieously like liberal ideas do.
And people aren't born knowing anything about liberals and conservatives. I bet half of the class at least didn't know anything about either side at the beginning of the simester. But I bet of that half, most of them supported Kerry for president because other people and the media had influenced them without them even knowing the difference.
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Post by chica on May 16, 2005 17:07:58 GMT -5
well just because people don't know a lot right now doesn't mean they won't learn more about the other side. I mean we still have room to grow and learn even if it's about something we disagree with. and even though you think the conservatives won't get a chance they will eventually
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Post by Lobstrosity on May 16, 2005 17:09:11 GMT -5
It just seems like it's too late
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Post by chica on May 16, 2005 17:10:26 GMT -5
there is always hope Lobstrosity you just have to believe and have faith in what you believe (even if it is conservatives)
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Post by GamerMan on May 17, 2005 19:16:44 GMT -5
movies are not biased, and news has never been shown to have a liberal bias based on artical per artical basis. News is moderate, the articals end up moderate.. period.
movies, A. dont have a large effect on the voter population (not even farenheight 911 did) B. are not forced towards a bias, but instead, towards what the people want to pay for. For decades conservtives dominated teh movies and television shows with all sorts of anti-liberal messages. now that the cold war is over, enviormental dramas can outpace corperate ones. C. Conservatives benifit everytime a gun is romanticized, or revenging killing with counter killing is romanticized (Kill bill makes a great example), so its not like conservatives dont have a lot going their way too.
The only things that have a CLEAR bias, are Radio (conservative) and Sports (conservative) [sports doesn't really matter though]. All other is minor and counteracting.
furthermore, conservatives dominated media based votes in both 2000 and 2004, so ohh ya seems real liberal biased there.
the fact of the matter is, there is no concreat facts that show bias in either direction, just a $h17 load of abstract ideas that either ignore one side, or dont fit into the real world ideas.
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Post by Lobstrosity on May 17, 2005 19:21:25 GMT -5
I disagree, it's not the kind of bias that you can really find. Even movies with guns have some liberal messages that get into your head very easily without you knowing it.
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Post by GamerMan on May 17, 2005 19:23:12 GMT -5
prove it. I could say the sun is spouting out conservative messages 24/7, doesn't mean that it has any merrit, proof is necissary.
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Post by Lobstrosity on May 17, 2005 19:28:04 GMT -5
You never prove anything, why should I?
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