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Post by GamerMan on Aug 8, 2005 19:21:16 GMT -5
well do you propose we kill women for not producing millions of eggs to house every sperm, or for letting menstration cycle past essentually killing an egg, a potential baby. Or for a guy being a virgin, or masterbating, because it kills sperm, which also are potential babys. is it murder for either of those 2. how about taking actions not ment to attract women, thats potentially hurts love life, thus killing potential babies. There are millions of steps taken towards the birth of that child, and every one of them can be upset. why is your step any more of murder than the step of having sex... or anything else along the line.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Aug 8, 2005 19:32:16 GMT -5
Because it would certainly be too extreme, not to mention very difficult, to enforce any laws about all the other stuff you mentioned, but it would be quite easy to make a law against abortion, which is really more important than all that anyway.
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Post by Azan on Aug 8, 2005 23:08:15 GMT -5
Well see thats your opinion and your view, other people do not agree with you.
And in response to outlawing it and enforcing it, that wont slow it down, outlawing it will only result women getting it done in poor conditions which could potentialy kill her and the baby (and has in the past)
Im still standing by with what I said earlier which is somewhat in between, in this sort of debate no ones going to win, you need a compromise.
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Post by GamerMan on Aug 8, 2005 23:09:38 GMT -5
well if those are all too extream, then why is banning removing a thoughtless embrio not extream?
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Post by Lobstrosity on Aug 8, 2005 23:23:25 GMT -5
Because when left alone, that embryo will become a human. Thus it is the closest thing to being human.
Also preventing abortion is the easiest way.
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Post by Azan on Aug 8, 2005 23:25:31 GMT -5
Also preventing abortion is the easiest way. Could you elaborate on that? easiest way to what. if you mean outlawing it is easyier than creating programs for prevention of getting abortions you would be correct its easier, but its not as efficient or moral.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Aug 8, 2005 23:32:03 GMT -5
Sure it is. Much more efficient to have one law against one thing rather than all these pricey programs and all that. Also if saving innocent lives is immoral, then yes making abortions illegal is immoral.
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Post by Azan on Aug 8, 2005 23:39:51 GMT -5
Sure it is. Much more efficient to have one law against one thing rather than all these pricey programs and all that. Also if saving innocent lives is immoral, then yes making abortions illegal is immoral. 1: no its not, when abortions were illegal it didnt stop the rate of abortions per year at all (well not by much at least). because did you know that you dont have to go to a clinic to have an abortion, a woman can do it to her self, I wont get into the details, but it involves a pike crushing the fetus but is also dangerous to the mother (and many dont realize the risk thus killing them both) 2: its immoral to tell someone whats right and whats wrong when its a debate between whats alive and what isnt or will be as different people will have different views, and why should yours be the right one?
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Post by Lobstrosity on Aug 8, 2005 23:50:09 GMT -5
Because people are dying.
btw when was abortion ever illegal?
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Post by Azan on Aug 8, 2005 23:53:02 GMT -5
if I remember right it was only for a little bit and a long time ago (then again my source may have been biased, ide ask gamerman he usualy would know this sort of thing)
But even if it wasnt, my post is still relavent because women will still get it done by people who arent professionals.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Aug 8, 2005 23:54:27 GMT -5
Not all women, and then we can arrest those that do, and the non-professionals that do it.
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Post by Azan on Aug 8, 2005 23:57:55 GMT -5
I gurantee you that wont slow it by much, does banning marijuana stop people from using it? especialy this because they would be pressured to do it and they can do it themselves with the tools they find in their kitchen.
And finding people who had it done would be impossible as know one would know they were pregnant, well most (they would have to have it done fairly early) and even then it would happen so often that police couldnt keep track you say you dont want to spend money on government programs, this would cost a ton more.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Aug 9, 2005 0:00:02 GMT -5
I don't think that many women would try to perform abortions on themselves at home. At least not more than if abortion was legal.
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Post by Azan on Aug 9, 2005 0:03:45 GMT -5
Well outlawing it would slow it down definitly which im all for up and after the point at which brainwaves start.
Getting it done would be considered immoral by me, but it may not be considered immoral by the mother or any other person.
All im saying is if we dont open up to the idea of a middle solution this argument will never be solved, which will continue to allow abortions of any kind at anytime to be legal, first you set limits, and build programs then after ten years or so if the people want it gone it can be outlawed you have to build a generation that discourages abortions.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Aug 9, 2005 0:06:32 GMT -5
In ten years this country will be run by the liberals who kills babies and let killers run free and give drugs to toddlers and ban firearms of all types and so on.
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