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Post by Lobstrosity on Jul 26, 2005 19:44:00 GMT -5
That's true, but I'm still completely against abortion. You're right it is the mother's fault then.
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Post by chica on Jul 31, 2005 16:15:39 GMT -5
using protection only limits the chances of having a baby, it doesnt eliminate the chance. getting an abortion means that the baby is DEAD. not being conceived is very different from being conceived and being killed. let's say that you have a chicken and a rooster in one room. if you put the rooster in a different room, they cant make eggs, right? sounds like a good idea if you dont want the eggs. so, if you have that option, why would you keep them in the same room, let them make eggs, and then step on said eggs? doesnt make sense to me... and yet don't we eat the eggs? which means we are eating something that could be a life. lobstrosity I agree it is the mom's fault but even if she doesn't put it up for adoption (which she should) the choice of having an abortion should be there.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jul 31, 2005 18:43:48 GMT -5
I just don't think the choice of killing the baby should be there.
btw you all can go ahead and use my real name (Andrew) rather than call me Lobstrosity. I know it's a cool sounding name and all, but it's not necessary, lol.
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Post by chica on Jul 31, 2005 19:14:40 GMT -5
why not? why shouldn't there be a choice? just like azan said, even if it was illegal people would get one anyway.
i thought calling you andrew was against the rules? did they change? btw I love both of your names.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jul 31, 2005 21:48:44 GMT -5
People get murdered even though that's illegal so you think we should make murder legal? If abortion were illegal then we could arrest people for it.
And yes there should be a choice. It's the choice not to get pregnant in the first place.
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Post by chica on Aug 1, 2005 19:48:10 GMT -5
i like that choice but some girls don't have control adn the BOYS don't either! what about rape or the girl wants to keep the guy but if she doesn't have sex with him he'll break up with her? for some girls that is a hard situation to say no in.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Aug 1, 2005 20:39:33 GMT -5
Okay, here we go blaming the guys.
Okay well it doesn't change the fact that people getting abortions anyway doesn't mean it should be made legal.
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Post by Umbrafire on Aug 1, 2005 20:45:26 GMT -5
i like that choice but some girls don't have control adn the BOYS don't either! what about rape or the girl wants to keep the guy but if she doesn't have sex with him he'll break up with her? for some girls that is a hard situation to say no in. just because something is difficult doesnt mean it shouldnt be done. you and I both know that, chica. as for rape, we already said that if abortion was made illegal, that rape victims would still have the choice to get an abortion.
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Post by Azan on Aug 7, 2005 12:01:43 GMT -5
Well upon thinking of this subject I have decided to go back to my original views on abortion, it should be allowed but an abortion cannot happen if the baby has brainwaves, so it must happen fairly early.
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Post by Azan on Aug 8, 2005 12:33:44 GMT -5
(anyone want to make a counter statement to that?)
Well heres why, women would die if abortions were illegal and even though its their own fault for having the child they will still be pressured by usualy the father to get it done illegaly and in horrible conditions. now when do you determine if something is human or not, ide say when the brain starts sending electrical signals, as it is the brain that made humans the dominant spiecies on earth. even though I still disagree with women getting abortions even before that I dont think its my desision, or my life and forcing someone to not have it done would be going too far.
Just because you are against it doesnt mean other people should be forced to view your ideas on whats alive and what isnt.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Aug 8, 2005 12:45:30 GMT -5
Okay here's my counter statement. As I have said many times before, it's not about what is alive and how you interpret that, it's about what will be alive.
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Post by Azan on Aug 8, 2005 13:04:23 GMT -5
Well technicaly you can make many changes that would result in something that will be alive, not being alive. and secondly I am still against abortion, im just not going to fight for everyone to comply with my views. But you have a point there, but many people would consider something that will about to be alive as not being alive so therefore its okay to remove it. Basicaly its a matter of judgement, you shouldnt be able to tell people what they can and cant do judged on your own moral opinions (unless of course majority of people agree with you) But seeing as how half of people are for abortion, and half arent this is why ive chosen my view, if you are against abortion then dont force anyone to get one or anything like that, and if you are for it then you should be able to like demon said before, isnt it the girls who should decide? I agree with that so im just gonna back away and go with the flow whatever happens happens, if abortion is legal I can still be against it moraly which I am still against abortion moraly but I wont force anyone to comply with what I say because they have different views and I cant truely know either side because I have never been or never will be in that position, I say let the women decide, they have more experience with it anyways. choosing either rout will result in people becoming angry so you have to make a middle rout, a compromise.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Aug 8, 2005 13:13:08 GMT -5
I hate when people say that! "Isn't it the women's decision?" No, because they are not the only ones affected by the decision. There are future lives at stake. Indeed that is the point of the abortion is to get rid of the baby (or soon to be baby if you prefer, it's still the same concept) just because the mother doesn't want any responsibility. If the baby could argue I'm sure it would, but it can't because it just barely exists. That's why people (all people, not just women) should make the decision not to extinguish future lives of unborn children.
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Post by Azan on Aug 8, 2005 13:25:23 GMT -5
look, its not going to be made illegal, there are too many negative effects, if you are against abortions (like me) then just discourage people of getting some simple as that but dont tell people that they should look at it the way you see it because people dont and some never will and if you want to get an abortion, even if it was made illegal its not going to be stoped, it used to be illegal but now it isnt, why? because outlawing it isnt going to stop people, just look at this thread, its gone around in circles several times.
This I all learned at my church, but outlawing it wont stop it and it makes people unhappy, and they get it done anyway, thats why I say it should be legal, but you tax it, and the money the government makes from taxing it can be used in programs to teach people about abortion and how there are other ways (have you ever seen a picture of an aborted fetus, its gross and as soon as all the girls saw it you could tell non of them would ever get an abortion)
There are better ways of handleing it than outlawing it. They should inform poeple about it in schools, and at an abortion clinic they even try to discourage women from having it done, and right before they have it done, just show them a picture of an aborted fetus, that would stop more people than outlawing it.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Aug 8, 2005 16:34:26 GMT -5
Or you could do all that, discouragement and such, AND outlaw it so anyone who tried to get it done could be arrested. That would work better.
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