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Post by Umbrafire on May 5, 2005 17:01:19 GMT -5
sure it's good to learn from mistakes, but complaining about them will get us nowhere. demon, if you pay any attention to what lobstrosity just said, I guarantee people will like you more
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Post by chica on May 5, 2005 17:58:14 GMT -5
yes we always say "learn from your mistakes" and yet we are still having wars about stupid stuff! I mean how many wars have we had now? a lot and we will probably have more in the future. how is that learning from our mistakes? the next time we have a war we will learn from the mistakes we made about having "bad" weapons and before you know it we will all be dead because of a nuclear bomb! I mean if we had REALLY learned from the past we wouldn't be having any more wars.
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Post by chica on May 5, 2005 17:58:41 GMT -5
oh p.s. lobstrosity how can a war be "justified"?
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Post by chica on May 5, 2005 17:59:11 GMT -5
p.s.s is it like how killing a human being can be "justified" in the death penalty? (sorry I posted so much)
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Post by Lobstrosity on May 5, 2005 18:10:14 GMT -5
A war can be justified if it is for a good cause. World War II was justified because the Nazis were killing people and threatening the safety of the world. However unlike the death penalty, war can be started for any reason, some of which are not justified, such as holy wars between two religious groups who each think they have the right religion.
We should be learning from our mistakes, and I think we are. If you look back on history, it is filled with wars where countries conquer land just to be rich. Nowadays, that doesn't happen anymore. The United States has not won any land in a war for a long time. We are stuck at 50 states because people are "learning."
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Post by chica on May 5, 2005 18:14:36 GMT -5
yeah you have a point. I mean some wars we get into we are there to save people. but I mean I just don't get the whole thing about killing people! and animals. omg back in the old days they would ride horses and the opponent would aim and shoot the horses!!!!!!! how unfair is that? ?? I mean it's the human they wanna kill why not just shoot the human and let the horse live?? and yet there is another way we have learned. now we just walk around or go around in tanks shooting people.
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Post by Lobstrosity on May 5, 2005 18:38:34 GMT -5
I'm sure it was easier to hit the horse than the rider, but we have since learned it is cruel to use horses in human wars.
I know how you feel, I don't want people to die. But killing is, unfortunately, human nature and will most likely not stop until we all die. I think that some people deserve to die, but that's just because I'm human.
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Post by Umbrafire on May 5, 2005 20:24:20 GMT -5
it's the people that willingly want people to die that start wars. any war that threatens us or one of our allies is one that we are justified in fighting in.
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Post by GamerMan on May 5, 2005 22:43:12 GMT -5
lol, accually horse's removal from warfare had nothing to do with crulety, and everything to do with Machine guns, trenches, and tanks. All of which built up cavalry obsoletion
And involving one's self into a war has been justified before (WWII, First Iraq War, Afghanistan).
Now the US... Happens to have a not so impressive history at "good involvement". We tended to create unjustifieable wars, many times over. Now war in general, is a bad thing. But getting involved in one, or to a very limited extent, starting one, is occasionally justifieable (though it's also justifieable to stay out of any war [swiss]).
we also dont learn from our mistakes as often as we should, nor do many other nations (US is particularly bad at this)
but ya, Iraq II not justified, nor Vietnam, Korea is quesitonable (but not justifieable to have gone up to chinese boarder)
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Post by Lobstrosity on May 5, 2005 23:27:17 GMT -5
lol, accually horse's removal from warfare had nothing to do with crulety Yeah, and that. But I'm sure it might have had some cruelty aspect, and if not it certainly would if anyone tried it again (not that they would, lol). Maybe if somebody gave me a brief explanation of each of these wars that are commonly brought up, I could give my own opinion. Try to explain them without being too biased.
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Post by Umbrafire on May 6, 2005 13:02:45 GMT -5
you know, I wonder how good of an explanation demon can give us, he's always complaining, i'd like to hear him back it up. im not saying that he's wrong, depending on how he describes it, I might agree with him. I just want to know why he thinks the things that he does
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Post by bad-monkey on May 6, 2005 13:20:21 GMT -5
u cant say that they arent justified. obviously there is some reason that we would go to war. people arent that stupid. and dont say some people are because no one is going to say, "lets go to war cause there is nothing else to do."
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Post by Azan on May 6, 2005 15:56:29 GMT -5
War is terrible and war is interesting to those who have never expierienced it, also I believe that desperate times call for desperate measures like if there was an army coming and there was no way to stop them I would resort to doing things like poison or giving guns to toddlers to defend innocent lives, war is terrible but if you must go to war to fight for something you believe in I believe that it is worth fighting for.
All you humans must learn to not fight each other but to better ourselves, too bad humans are power hungry.
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Post by GamerMan on May 6, 2005 18:03:00 GMT -5
an unjustified war is a war based around nationalism. or for national gain,
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Post by Lobstrosity on May 6, 2005 18:26:17 GMT -5
so can someone explain a few of those wars that are commonly brought up, because I can't give my opinion until I know what the war was about.
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