Is war the answer?

[GamerMan]

umm, lets see... im gonna go with... Korea, 1949. what started as a 2 way localized fight for what the new government was going to be in korea (as often happens in creation of new governments), sped into a mass international conflict. Us, taking on a policy of communistic containment, tried to sway the powers into the capitalist side of korea, geting directly involved upon seeing that south koea (which had less popular support) was loosing. Us then pushed their troops, and rather than restablish teh north south line, pushed into norther korea up to the chinese boarder, meanwhile destroying 2 chinese cities. The chinses government defended its self and pushed back where a stalemate line was redrawn after years of fight, with no real change from teh original peace lines.

Involvement: US (this was a fight between 2 popular opinions, if US had just defended and restored N/S boarders (which got restablished NE ways) it might be considered justified, but instead we pushed and attacked a neutral country, which had no justification other than hate of a government type).

[Lobstrosity]

My opinion then, if all that you said is true and you aren't doing any major card stacking, is that Korea was unjustified, because just because we are opposed to communism, doesn't give us the right to attempt to change the government of another country that is non-threatening to us. North Korea today is seen as a threat, but i'm guessing they wouldn't hate us quite so much if we hadn't done that. At the very most, we should get involved in a political battle, not a physical one.

[chica]

i agree with you there lobstrosity. I bet our intentions were to help them be a capitalist country but instead our helping turned into war. knowing the U.S. that's probably how we handled it.

[Azan]

Lobstrosity said:

North Korea today is seen as a threat, but i'm guessing they wouldn't hate us quite so much if we hadn't done that. At the very most, we should get involved in a political battle, not a physical one.

Yes but it is our duty as the top military power in the world to help humans when they are in need of aid, even if they are not Americans, almost all wars the US has fought were because of this, if you have the power to do something good it is your duty to do something good.

[Lobstrosity]

True, but before rushing into an unnecesary war, the US should learn to first study the consequences and reasons for doing so. There is no need to go to war to try to make a country capitalist. We can give out opinions, but not missiles. If we do everything in our power outside of war, and still the country becomes communist, and we have evidence that people are being murdered and such, THEN it is our duty to help them.

[GamerMan]

accually most of our wars were just us vs. USSR. We and they were by far the strongest nations, so we decided that we had to compeat against them, so all steps were essentually just anti-communist. in fact, we were willing to provide safety for nazis from conviction in order to help in anti communist efforts.

Now if we had reason to belive attrocities had been commitied, then action can be taken, but they weren't, we were just following an Capitalist good communist bad notion. (and most of the 8 million stalin "killed" were accually just victems of industrialization, as we went through in our 20 years of industrialization (though we had a smaller population, thus less killed, and it was spread over 20 years rather than forced in 5)

[Lobstrosity]

From what I understand, you want me to believe that all of our war efforts in many of the previously mentioned wars were purely anti-communist? You know what I have to say to that? GOOD!! Communism does not work and will not work, EVER!!

[Umbrafire]

communism works... in theory.
however, it does not work in real live WHICH IS WHY IT'S STUPID!

[chica]

communism works in a perfect world, but the point is we do not live in a perfect world and the other reason is that humans I don't think really CAN make communism work we are so caught up in greed and hate that it does not work

[Umbrafire]

there will always be someone who won't be able to stand having the same things as everyone else. someone will always want to be "better"

[Lobstrosity]

Which is precisely why I favor a little ideology, perhaps you have heard of it... CAPITALISM. Capitalism is the one and only system that actually works, given the way people work. It is a system based on the individuals.

[chica]

yes it's true that capitalism works but it also has it's disadvantages just like any other form of government. but still I agree it is the best out of all of them. but wouldn't it be cool if we had free health care and college? but then again we'd have higher taxes. nvm that's socialism (ewwww)

[Lobstrosity]

Communism and socialism are make me mad. Capitalism is the best way to go. The purer the better, until you reach anarchy which is just plain stupid. Capitalism does have a downside, but unlike the others, I find the downside of capitalism a bit better than the other systems.

[GamerMan]

then again the norwegan markets (the most socalist I could find in a democratic nation) has had huge amounts of strong growth, followed with lots of stability.
mean while, pure capitalismt gives you possibilities of hyper inflation (1920's germany) and depression (1930's US/West europe)

[bad-monkey]

chica, it depends on how u view it. ure not necessarily going to pay more in socialism. u have higher taxes but u get a crap load of crap. like medical stuff and school. so it just depends on if u want to pay more taxes or pay more for medical stuff and school.