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Post by Lobstrosity on May 1, 2005 21:09:57 GMT -5
yes
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Post by chica on May 1, 2005 21:11:12 GMT -5
omg that is so sweet
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Post by Azan on May 1, 2005 21:39:26 GMT -5
Ok heres my viewpoint on the whole it will ruin the mothers life, look at if this way, if a teenager smokes pot then he tries to get into the military he will be turned down because you have to take a drug test, according to this whole give teenage mothers a chance thing that pot head would be able to get into the military anyway, the mother made a choice and she knew well what the consequences were, and all to often a bad choice can ruin your life, like drugs, but the person doing drugs knew well what the consequences were, in fact im all for smoking etc. etc. I say if they want to ruin their own life let them, I just dont expect society to suffer for it, like with abortions, they made that choice, they ruin their life THEIR FAULT AND THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT this isnt some world where you can wish away your troubles by taking anothers life.
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Post by Vash on May 2, 2005 13:08:54 GMT -5
Anything can ruin someones life. And its not always garanteed that the life will be ruined, but theres a pretty good chance it will be.
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Post by bad-monkey on May 2, 2005 13:14:53 GMT -5
so some lady is walking down the street and someone comes from behind her and decides to beat her and rape her. so because she didnt have a gun or something she has to deal with a baby. and even if u were for abortions in the certain situations, then why arent they able to get a second chance. everyone makes bad choices and someon shouldnt have to deal with a huge consequence such as caring for a baby for a bad mistake. a bad choice shouldnt decide a persons future.
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Post by Vash on May 2, 2005 13:18:27 GMT -5
In cases like that they should be able to get abortions.
And I was trying to say, if you don't get an abortion, its not 100% possitive your life is gonna get ruined...theres just a good chance it will be depending on your decisions.
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Post by Lobstrosity on May 2, 2005 14:51:32 GMT -5
And why should the mother get a second chance by taking away the baby's first chance?
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Post by Umbrafire on May 2, 2005 15:13:19 GMT -5
i wholeheartedly agree, lobstrosity.
also, to bad-monkey: life is not a game. there is no reset button. if you do not understand this, then I can guarantee that life will be very, very hard for you. as for the teenagers who get themselves pregnant and are pregnant because they willingly had sex, that is their problem. think of it this way. every country is like a circus in that they have a roof, like the top of a circus tent, and a net to catch you if you fall. the net keeps you from getting any closer to the floor, unless you willingly get off of it yourself. however, in this model, no country in the world has infinite sums of money. so, you must focus on the net or the roof. allow me to explain. throughout life, you are climbing the ladder in the center of this circus. sometimes you move up the rungs, sometimes you step down. in an ideal country, the proverbial net would be just a few feet below you, and the roof would be farther than you can see. you can spend your whole life trying to get to the top, and if you ever are an idiot and take both hands off the ladder (this symbolizes getting pregnant as a teenager, or some other stupid thing), that net would catch you immediately, and you'd get your ass back on the ladder. in a feasible environment, we must put our time and effort into raising the "roof" of the circus. then the net, would be close to the ground. if you fall, you don't hit rock bottom, but you don't get caught soon either. this means that we must focus on making things better for those who risk scaling the ladder to the top and don't make stupid decisions. how does this reflect on real life, you say? if you are someone who never takes risks in life, and just picks the safest choice each time, you probably won't even get on the ladder. if you make stupid decisions, like get pregnant as a teen, you will fall off the ladder, and have to work your way back up again, only this time, you have a baby in one hand. THEREFORE, someone who just "makes a mistake," and gets pregnant, is not thinking before they act. THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO HARM AN INNOCENT BEING'S LIFE!
anyway...
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Post by chica on May 2, 2005 16:49:02 GMT -5
wow good analogy. but I say that another way to have a net is to get an abortion so you can get back on the ladder. I mean yes it's the ladder of life and we all wanna get back on if we fall then why not let the girl get an abortion so she can get back on?
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Post by Lobstrosity on May 2, 2005 16:51:08 GMT -5
Because the baby is now on the ladder, and the abortion will pull that baby off the ladder and hurl it to the ground right past the net, so it will go SPLAT! right on the pavement. Is that what you want? SPLAT baby?
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Post by chica on May 2, 2005 16:58:06 GMT -5
oh yes cuz I just love eating splated baby in the morning!!
no but if when the girl gets back on the ladder she is stuck at the bottom more because of the baby then I see that she should just let it go and get back to the top
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Post by Lobstrosity on May 2, 2005 17:00:21 GMT -5
but she already made a poor decision, the baby has a clean slate. Surely the baby is more deserving of a chance at the ladder than she is, right?
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Post by chica on May 2, 2005 17:03:16 GMT -5
yes I agree with that so what your saying is for the baby's sake she should start all over at the bottom again?
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Post by Lobstrosity on May 2, 2005 17:05:54 GMT -5
not at the bottom, necesarily. She should do her best to stay where she is on the ladder and help the baby out as well.
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Post by chica on May 2, 2005 17:07:52 GMT -5
yes but it is still putting all of her dreams and goals off to the side if not gone forever do you know how much care a baby needs? and most of the time it would just be the mom cuz dads usually run out on their g/f once they hear she's pregnant. sorry guys but it's the truth
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