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Post by Vash on May 11, 2005 17:56:52 GMT -5
Everyone was talking about the media alot so I decides to make a thread for it.
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Post by Vash on May 11, 2005 18:53:15 GMT -5
If your opinions on such important political beliefs are based solely on the opinions of others conveyed to you through movie format, then you have a lot of reconsidering to do. Often a movie producer will make more money by adding a cheesy message or "moral" if you will. It leaves the people feeling happy. It's just an example of how the media is owned by the Liberals, and probably always will be. The liberal messages in movies and shows and even the news has already begun to tip the scales in favor of the liberals. A certain government teacher I know once said that in the US, there is a constant balance between the liberals and conservatives. Each time one side gets too powerful, the people say "we don't want our opinions changed" and they shift the balance back to the other side of the spectrum. Right now, the balance is on the conservative side, but it is swiftly moving to the left. Before long, probably next election, the balance will move to the liberals. Sadly, I believe that will be the end of the conservatives. Because of the Liberal stranglehold on the entertainment and media industry, I fear there will be no more balance swings in favor of the conservatives. Our nation's media has influenced the minds of today's children. The future voters have all been subconsciously affected by these hidden liberal messages. Even today, I look around the school, and see people making fun of George Bush. Do you know why they make fun of George Bush? Because all of their favorite celebrities told them to. Look around, see for yourself. Every popular band, every trendy Hollywood icon, they all convey messages that support liberalism. They say "we support tax breaks for the lower class" and "the rich owe society." It makes them seem like caring people, which they very well may be. But the point is that it poisons the minds of the fans to think like them. Almost every teen has this idea for no reason, even if they are not into politics, that Republicans are evil, republicans are greedy, republicans care only about themselves. Take for example, Kagome. Everyone remember Kagome? She is a die-hard liberal, she hates Bush and supports John Kerry in everything he does, and yet she doesn't even know why. Sure, she understands what each side supports, but she hates Bush all the same, without even considering that he might be a decent person. I ask people all the time: "Why do you hate George Bush?" The answers are always the same. "He looks funny," or "He's stupid." People say: "He's a Republican" (as if that's reason enough to hate him). My friends, it is time you understood. You all think you are standing up for your own beliefs, you think you are speaking out for your own ideals. But in actuallity, you are merely puppets. Tools created by the media to destroy the system; cause controversy that the media then feeds on. You think you are fighting for what's right, but you aren't. You have all become pawns in the game of politics. Stand up for your own ideas!! I am not asking you to become conservatives, I am only asking you to take a closer look at the world around you! Truly examine everything the media tells you! See for yourself the messages it really gives you, disguised as the news! Read the paper, look at all the articles! What are they about?! Ask yourself, "What are these articles really trying to say?" If after you do that, you still believe you support what is right, then go on and believe what you want. Go back to your magical little fairyland without war or poverty, the world you believe will someday work. I won't stop you any more... So unless you heed my warning, I am afraid that the United States is doomed to become a communistic little country, where people live on corporate handouts. People who don't feel like working can hang around and take money from those who want to make a name for themselves. Eventually people will stop working all together, nobody will be the ones to make the money, and suddenly everyone will realize capitalism has it's advantages. But it will be too late. This is my last attempt to save a dying country. The last true conservative of my time, Lobstrosity, signing off... wow. I totally see what you're saying. and I agree, I mean, I think im kinda moderate, but I dunno. either way, I don't like the idea of being permanantly liberal. ok jiub everything lobstrosity says you agree with!!!!!!! no matter what! like he is saying have your OWN opinions. I mean I lobstrosity what you are saying is really strong stuff! I mean it's not like liberals OWN the media! we can still think for ourselves and people do. I mean just cuz we're not conservative doesn't mean we are mind wiped. and when people say they don't like bush it's not saying he is a bad person! it's saying the choices he has made are bad. I bet people know that is what they want to mean but it's just easier blaming it on the person himself. I mean I hate what bush has done to our country but I also believe if I were to truly meet him I might like him. yes our views are different adn I think the decisions he has made are a bunch of crap but that doesn't mean he is a bad person. and when you are saying that liberals are taking over it is true. we go back and forth from conservatives to liberals to conservatives...etc. etc. etc but the only reason you are trying to blame it on liberals is because now WE are getting the power again and you don't want that! so just face it! LIBERALS ARE NOT CONTROLLING THE MEDIA OR THE PEOPLE. we think for ourselves and if that means being a liberal SO BE IT! Well too bad, because it's here on the DP thread and there's nothing you can do about it. The liberals do own the media, which means that this is the end for conservatives. You can believe what you want. Believe that you make your own decisions, and maybe you do. The media, which IS owned by the liberals, effects everyone, even me. It just so happens that I have more willpower, and I can take a look at what things are really trying to say. Maybe you really believe all that liberal stuff, and that's fine. But some of you may be jumping on the bandwagon with everyone else, and that is not good. Take a moment to think about everything you believe in and why you believe in it, and if you think it's all your own decisions, fine. And Jiub, apparently so far the majority of people do think you agree with everything I say. Remember your test showed you were a liberal? Now you think you're a moderate. Try to have some opinions of your own. just because you are a conservative and not getting sucked into all that liberal stuff doesn't mean YOU have a willpower of your own. if you really did , you would be moderate. cuz you're jumping on the conservative bandwagon. so what your saying is that people who are with the liberals are dumb and let them overtake their brains, but when a conservative does the exact same thing it's called thinking for themself. hmmmmm doesn't seem logical to me. oh and lobstrosity don't be too mean to jiub. he just idolizes you lol.
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Post by Vash on May 11, 2005 18:53:28 GMT -5
A. ok find us a statistic that shows that liberals control the media. Because when you look at the 3 major networks, a comprehensive view of them indicated that there was no liberal bias in the articals (compiling 1999-2002). in fact other than it is said alot, you really have nothing to support your view except thigns that are counteraced. Journalsist are usually liberal, editors usually conservative. major networks are owned by 1 conserv, 1 lib, and 1 mod. CNN and FOX are owned by liberal and conservative respectivly. Most advertizers are owned by conservatives, most special interest groups are run by liberals. it all balances out, but if you can find some stat that says there is a liberal bias, share it with us, I would like to see the stat that no other conservative has ever had. B. Jiub's liberal/conservative test wasn't and end all platform test, and his platform can change with time. C. Chika, lob never said that people don't jump on the conservative bandwagon, he is just saying that he has free will to choose his platform, as most of us here have done (though some may have jumped on a party's bandwagon). Though he has followed a common misconception of liberal media bias, its a common mistake made that has been made due to "speaking points". but ya he is just saying that he chose free will, not that liberals are bandwagoneres and conservatives are free will. A. I know what you're saying here is true, but it isn't exactly what I'm saying. I'm not saying the corporations that own the media are conservative, I'm saying that the media itself, and everything associated with it and all forms of entertainment an news are all liberal. The very roots of the media in this country are what makes it liberal, not the owners. B. I really don't think it's that his platform changed, it's that he found out I scored an 88. (I'm not being mean to him, I'm trying to get him to think for himself) C. Right, except for the misconception part. you guys are horrible. I don't idolize lobstrosity, it's just that many times, with political issues, he can be a very persuasive writer/speaker, and I have grown to agree with many of his conservative beliefs
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Post by Azan on May 12, 2005 19:57:58 GMT -5
Quite frankly I dont see a debate in this at all, I guess if the media is good or bad, but put it in a poll
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Post by Lobstrosity on May 12, 2005 21:09:37 GMT -5
It wasn't a debate at all, until Vash came and altered my great speech.
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Post by Vash on May 12, 2005 21:59:30 GMT -5
Everyone was posting in the death penalty thread about it and debating there, so I copied it all and posted it here.
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Post by chica on May 13, 2005 15:18:40 GMT -5
yeah but it was better when it was in death penalty cuz it kinda made sense but not really and we left it anyway
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Post by GamerMan on May 14, 2005 21:41:52 GMT -5
the media is not liberal, television is strictly moderate though some stat views have shown it to be convservative. Radio is highly conservative (top 3 radio shows are all conservative, #4 is the recent Al Frankin show). News papers have been shown to be slightly liberal. Blogs are moderate. Hmm seems pretty even to me
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Post by chica on May 14, 2005 22:51:03 GMT -5
republicans and democrats don't have anything to do with holding the media or whatever it's just media
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Post by Lobstrosity on May 15, 2005 9:35:03 GMT -5
You're not getting it gamerman. It's not who owns the media that determines whether it's liberal or conservative. Maybe the radio is more consrvative if you only count political talk shows, but the rest of the media is liberal simply because all forms of entertainment are riddled with hidden liberal messages.
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Post by Sad Baby Green on May 15, 2005 10:14:13 GMT -5
But how is that suppose to work. All media has liberal secret messages or something? I dont see how that would work with out liberals owning it. Unless, the conservatives are trying to get bad things out about liberals.
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Post by Lobstrosity on May 15, 2005 10:24:53 GMT -5
No it's very simple. Liberal ideas like love and kindness will make more money for the people that own the media. The people that own the media don't realize that what they are doing is creating a generation of liberals.
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Post by chica on May 15, 2005 21:11:27 GMT -5
and what's wrong with that? I mean mr. c even said that it goes in cycles: conservatives, liberals, conservatives, liberals, conservatives, etc. and it's our turn now (liberals)
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Post by Lobstrosity on May 15, 2005 21:13:23 GMT -5
But now I'm pretty sure this is the end for the conservatives. The media has never had so much influence on the opinions of people before.
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Post by Azan on May 15, 2005 21:16:40 GMT -5
Its quite simple if your a liberal you watch the news that appeals to you (Liberal News) if your a conservative you look at conservative news and many competeing news papers can exist because many people are on their side
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