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Post by Azan on May 31, 2006 16:30:56 GMT -5
Topic!
Basically the current two arguments are that...
Science gets in the way of peoples beliefs
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Science can never disproove any important beliefs, if science can disproove of it then its not a true belief.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jun 3, 2006 13:48:29 GMT -5
Wtf? Science can't get in the way of belief, that's kinda what makes it a belief. Maybe Idk what you mean. What's this debate about?
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Post by Azan on Jun 3, 2006 16:12:43 GMT -5
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jun 3, 2006 18:47:31 GMT -5
I get it. Well what's the point of believing in something that you know isn't true? It's not worth it to ignore the truth just so you can continue believing in something. What could you possibly want to believe in that much?
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Post by Vash on Jun 3, 2006 19:27:27 GMT -5
I'm very hesitant to post here cause I know it's gonna be me agianst everyone, and that very much so makes me not want to debate here >_>
Anyways, I'm probably the only person here who would perfer their beliefs to science. It just seems to me that if you were to believe something all your life, and then some day you are proved wrong through science, then why even have hope to begin with if you'll just probably be proved wrong some day?
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jun 3, 2006 19:35:58 GMT -5
hope is fine, but that's not the issue. But why believe in something if it's gonna be proven wrong? Well you can either choose beliefs wisely, or when something is proven wrong, then go ahead and admit you were wrong for believing in it and move on. Nothing's stopping you from changing beliefs.
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Post by Azan on Jun 3, 2006 20:19:23 GMT -5
In my opinion a belief can never be prooven wrong, well a true belief... take these for example...
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A belief in God -Cant be prooven false by science.
A belief that George Bush is a good president -Sure facts may be against you, but you may still have that belief, and it is valid, also you should feel bad, because this is a dumb belief.
A belief that 2+2 = 5 -Not a true belief.
A belief that everything the Bible says is true -Not a good belief, beliefs that are centered around material things tend to be sketchy, but honestly, who here would care if the Bible is not entirely true? If you care that much about it then thats just sad, its just a book meant to teach morals, a material thing. Just continue to look at the good in the bible. (BTW the Bible has been altered, over thousands of years its been rewritten and revised (by some of the most corrupt people on the Earth mind you.)) use the Bible to teach, but do not believe in it.
A belief that we go to an afterlife when we die -Cant be prooven wrong. Plus heres how I look at it, sure Heaven would be nice, but dont worry about it in life, if you die and you go to heaven, then kool... if not ... your not going to be sad because you will be gone and not consious, so it doesnt matter.
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Well im not currently thinking straight, apologies if I offended anyone, ill tweak these later... Also if you guys can give me important beliefs that science can proove wrong and would make your life worse feel free to post... as of yet I cannot think of one
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Post by GamerMan on Jun 6, 2006 22:10:04 GMT -5
What about the human spirt. What if people live their life by the belief that human beings are, basicly, good; that they, for the most part live a moral and/or ethical life with concern for others. Now what if science proves that wrong, proves that, in general, humans, in raw form, are greedy, self centered, with no morals/ethics without it being taught to them. Would that not be an important belief that science can prove wrong?
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Post by Azan on Jun 7, 2006 19:16:46 GMT -5
What about the human spirt. What if people live their life by the belief that human beings are, basicly, good; that they, for the most part live a moral and/or ethical life with concern for others. Now what if science proves that wrong, proves that, in general, humans, in raw form, are greedy, self centered, with no morals/ethics without it being taught to them. Would that not be an important belief that science can prove wrong? Perhaps... but still, its not a very good belief... would you fall to pieces knowing that humans were naturaly violent? |
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Post by KiddoFreak on Jun 22, 2006 20:54:50 GMT -5
Yeah... seems to me like science can never tell you how you absolutely have to act. In that case it's really more of a morality issue than knowledge. Just because we're naturally violent and self-centered does not mean that we, personally, must be that way.
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