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Post by GamerMan on May 21, 2005 18:27:05 GMT -5
should "Under god" be left in the pledge?
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Post by myth1515 on May 21, 2005 20:05:02 GMT -5
I think that "god" can be defined many ways and that it doesn't mean a specific god so why not? It's not like it really hurts anybody by being there.
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Post by Umbrafire on May 21, 2005 20:12:38 GMT -5
god (n.)
- One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed
i think that it should stay in the pledge
(why is this not a poll?)
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Post by GamerMan on May 22, 2005 0:05:22 GMT -5
(because a poll doesn't give us any new information since everyone is gonna state their views anyways) well what about buddists, athiests, egnostics, taoists, existentialists, and others who dont belive in god, how is it fair to them to treat them like a 2nd class citizen.
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Post by Umbrafire on May 22, 2005 0:55:37 GMT -5
we're not treating them differently, no one is required to say the pledge
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Post by chica on May 22, 2005 8:40:58 GMT -5
exaclty, if they don't wanna say it or think it's wrong they can just leave that part out when they say it. I mean some people I bet will say it and others won't so we should just leave it.
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Post by Azan on May 22, 2005 8:45:45 GMT -5
I think that we should leave it in but anyone who finds it disrespectful can choose not to say that part, however if more and more people find it disrespectful (if there was alot more protests on it) I think it should be removed.
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Post by Niccolo on May 22, 2005 11:37:43 GMT -5
exaclty, if they don't wanna say it or think it's wrong they can just leave that part out when they say it. I mean some people I bet will say it and others won't so we should just leave it. Right, just like I replace the words "United States of America" with "The United Provinces of Canada" Oh Canada, wait until I graduate from college, then I shall come to thee! |
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Post by Lobstrosity on May 22, 2005 18:40:05 GMT -5
Once again, the liberals are ruining society in their attempts to make everything equal for everyone at all times. You want everything to be equal? Too bad, it ain't gonna happen. No matter how hard you try, as long as people think differently, things are gonna be different for everyone, which is exactly opposite of the definition of equality.
Sure equality would be good, but at what price? The price is individuality. Equality vs. Individuality. You can't have both. Everyone must be allowed to be who they are, and forcing people to think alike by way of "equality" will take away everyone's ability to be themselves. That is the price of equality.
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Post by Azan on May 22, 2005 18:45:39 GMT -5
Well everyone can have their own beliefs and be individual but when you have something that everyone says like "under god" you are only taking away individuality, Government should not be biased, in religion.
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Post by Lobstrosity on May 22, 2005 18:55:03 GMT -5
The pledge has hardly anything to do with real government. It's just a pledge, it can't hurt anyone and it doesn't do anything. Sure government should be unbiased, but only real government. If a senator made decisions based on the bible, that would be the bias to be worried about.
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Post by bad-monkey on May 23, 2005 13:14:08 GMT -5
god is not necessarily the god of christianity, it can be someone u worship so when u talk about budists, they have a god too and the pledge isnt specifying wut god its talking about.
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Post by Lobstrosity on May 23, 2005 14:48:50 GMT -5
Some religions (such as buddists which you incorrectly stated have a God) have no gods. According to Gamerman and Co., these religions will be offended if we don't remove the words "under God." This of course could possibly be true, but we can't have everything be equal.
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Post by Vash on May 23, 2005 15:22:38 GMT -5
god is not necessarily the god of christianity, it can be someone u worship so when u talk about budists, they have a god too and the pledge isnt specifying wut god its talking about. I'm pretty sure it is refering to the God of Christianity... |
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Post by GamerMan on May 24, 2005 6:23:54 GMT -5
first off, "under god" wasn't part of the original pledge, it was added as some "anti communist" messure. second, if you are going to have it in a government building, you should not have children who arn't religious be forced to feel like an outcast in a government building. for someone who hears 24 other people in a class of 25 say "under god", that makes the 25th seem like an outcast.
ohh, and egnostic and athiest are the 2 fastest growing religions.
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