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Post by Niccolo on Apr 19, 2005 19:37:39 GMT -5
here's a nice little counterpoint: most conservatives are pro-life, but at the same time pro-death penalty and pro-war. Tis a little hipocrytical, no?
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Post by bad-monkey on Apr 20, 2005 9:01:41 GMT -5
not really, the death penalty and war and abortion are completely different things and u have to consider many different views. Like Lobstrosity said, people who have murdered have had their chance and unborn babies still have a chance to be something in their life. (not that I agree...) but u get my point (hopefully).
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Post by Lobstrosity on Apr 20, 2005 15:30:45 GMT -5
Thank you for saving me the time of posting to tell demon why he's wrong
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Post by Niccolo on Apr 20, 2005 20:58:11 GMT -5
Also, shouldn't us males leave this issue to the women? It dosen't affect us in any way, shape, or form.
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Post by Azan on Apr 21, 2005 15:27:35 GMT -5
Also, shouldn't us males leave this issue to the women? It dosen't affect us in any way, shape, or form. Im gonna have to disagree just a bit, I mean I agree how we should leave it up to the women but hey it takes a man to get a woman pregnant therefore its somewhat our problem too (then again its usualy the guys that want the woman to get an abortion which is just stupid )
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Post by Vash on Apr 21, 2005 17:29:44 GMT -5
I agree with Azan.
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Post by Umbrafire on Apr 21, 2005 20:06:31 GMT -5
wut if they were practicing safe sex and the condom broke or something true, but if they were REALLY trying to not get pregnant, they would have looked up the chances of getting pregnant while using a condom, and even if it is used correctly, and doesn't break, there's still like a 7% chance of getting pregnant. sorry to sound like health class, but technically, the best way to not get pregnant is to not have sex. Personally, I am against abortions, with the exception of rape victims, and I believe that abortions should not be abolished, but should be extremely hard to get if you are not a rape victim. Because, in my opinion, if you were not raped, then it's your own damn fault you had sex in the first place, because having sex comes with the responsibility of knowing what consequences may or may not occur.
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Post by Azan on Apr 21, 2005 20:14:31 GMT -5
Yeah I agree but yeah its there own fault but the only problem is that then women still get it done illegaly by people who arent doctors and many of them end up dieing, I also believe that teens should let someone else take care of their baby cus lets face it teens arent responsible and a child would not only ruin the mothers life but the babys as well(well most likely) (babys raised by teens are much more likely to eat children when they grow up... well go to jail, than babys brought up in a good environment)(that is assuming the teens are already doing bad in school and are broke, if they have money then they can just hire a sitter) the relavance of what I just said is that if abortions are banned teens will have to raise their child (as I said above) so I think that the government should give them NOTHING because its still their fault, but the gov. should give something if they are poor or in need of help.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Apr 21, 2005 20:42:03 GMT -5
Also, shouldn't us males leave this issue to the women? It dosen't affect us in any way, shape, or form. WHAT ABOUT THE BABIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?
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Post by Niccolo on Apr 23, 2005 19:42:48 GMT -5
The simple fact is, the women generally are stuck with raising the child, expecially in teen pregnancies. (not sexist, just the facts, folks) Also, the men are not the ones giving birth, and we're not the ones who it grows in, so why should we males have any right to deny a woman an abortion when we never have to worry about the repriccutions of an unwanted birth?
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Post by chica on Apr 24, 2005 16:50:41 GMT -5
as the girl here I love how some of you are also taking the blame. becuase yes it is the guys fault too. I mean both people are reposible for making that baby. it IS a guys fault too. and lobstrosity I love how you are for the babies. I am also for the babies and yet I am for abortion. if you are so worried about the babies think about what would happen to the baby's life if it were raised by a 14 year old! it would suck! I mean this girl has basically really bad control over her OWN life getting pregnant int he first place and everything) so how can she make the kid's any better? it would just be better if everyone just waited to have sex. I mean god it seems like it's a hobby!!!
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Post by Lobstrosity on Apr 24, 2005 18:40:40 GMT -5
Oh yeah! Of course! It makes perfect sense! If the kid's gonna grow up with a 14 year old mother, we should just kill the kid to spare it what MIGHT turn out to be a bad life!
In case you can't tell, i'm being sarcastic. I like to think that you can't say a kid's gonna have a bad life and be a failure just because the kid had a teenage mother. Any number of scenarios could result in that kid having a good life and possibly having a great effect on the world. We need to give the kids a chance.
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Post by Umbrafire on Apr 24, 2005 19:42:07 GMT -5
We need to give the kids a chance. I couldn't agree more. You can't kill a child just because they might turn out wrong. What if Thomas Edison's mother had an abortion, huh? Think about it.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Apr 24, 2005 19:57:09 GMT -5
You seem to be on everyone's side. Pick a side and stick with it.
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Post by Umbrafire on Apr 24, 2005 20:00:28 GMT -5
what do you mean? I just have multiple ways of expressing my opinion, and my opinion is that abortion is wrong
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