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Post by Vash on Jun 18, 2005 22:24:26 GMT -5
how about jus threatening him with a gun? I mean he thinks it has bullets and you are gonna shoot him so wouldn't it work just as well? Yeah, but some people are willing to take that chance, and where would you be then? Are you joking? People like to hunt, and not everyone cares about deer and stuff like you do. Also hunting is actually good for the environment. Carefully regulated hunting keeps the deer population down. Those deer would otherwise be eating all the plants (bad for the plants) and then too many deer would not have enough food (bad for the deer). So actually shooting some deer is beneficial to the rest of them. What do you have to say to that? Just like that episode in Futurama with all the penguins and in the end the only way to help them from starving was to hunt them. (Because they were mass-producing)
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Post by chica on Jun 19, 2005 15:19:05 GMT -5
i know I thought of that too but I didn't wanna type it cuz that would be contradicting myself but I know that it helps keep the population down but what about all the other animals that are becoming endangered and extinct because of hunting? how do we stop from overpopulation of an animal without making them extinct? are we gonna go and watch every hunter that hunts to make sure he/she doesn't kill too many things?
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Post by chica on Jun 19, 2005 15:21:19 GMT -5
also another thing on hunting (sorry i'm double posting) but you know how genocides and the holocaust were seen as bad and like really bad and stuff? then why are we allowed to do the same thing to animals by hunting them? it's just like killling a whole species of deer when people kill a whole "species" of jews, or tutsi's! except that when we wipe out millions of jews it's seen as bad but when we hunt and wipe out millions of deer it's seen as a "SPORT"! ??
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jun 19, 2005 18:41:23 GMT -5
I can answer both of your posts with a single statement: I don't think any animal becomes endangered or extict as result of hunting anymore (maybe they did a long time ago (the dodo, the buffalo) but I don't think that happens really very much anymore).
We don't kill millions of deer, and the Department of Natural Resources does an adequate job of regulating hunting.
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Post by Vash on Jun 19, 2005 22:31:59 GMT -5
Yeah, as long as we regulate hunting the animals will be fine.
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Post by chica on Jul 2, 2005 23:44:35 GMT -5
but still, doing that to innocent animals is not right. if I do that to innocent people I am killed but I could just be saying I am helping to keep down the population of humans which needs it more than animals. what's the difference? they are still taking lives just for fun. yes some do actually eat the animal and that is okay but hanging it on your wall for decoration? if I did that with bush's head they would kill me!
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Post by Azan on Jul 2, 2005 23:47:35 GMT -5
Okay hunting may be boring to me (b/c its not even worthy of a hunt, the animal is dumb and its just point and shoot) now hunting with grenades or sticks thats interesting. but people have the right to hunt and dont forget without hunting the animal population would overpopulate
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Post by chica on Jul 2, 2005 23:49:39 GMT -5
okay so if I kill you and kagome, and jiub, and lobstrosity and vash would it be okay because I was just "helping the overpopulation"?
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Post by Azan on Jul 2, 2005 23:51:53 GMT -5
no, because humans are consious beings, the food you eat was killed more brutaly than an animal killed in a hunt, cows are killed by having a blunt pike hit their skull, chickens are decapitated while theyre alive etc. etc.
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Post by chica on Jul 2, 2005 23:53:38 GMT -5
so what if I ate you? your an animal and you have meat on you...i'm getting hungry just thinking of it
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Post by Azan on Jul 2, 2005 23:54:44 GMT -5
im consious, and killing a consious being isnt hunting its murder. (and no I dont have meat on me ) that and humans taste bad
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Post by chica on Jul 2, 2005 23:58:23 GMT -5
hmmm..so you talk from experience...but aren't animals conscience? they are living, breathing, things just like you and me why can't they be shown respect?
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Post by Azan on Jul 3, 2005 12:07:59 GMT -5
No animals are not consious, an animal cannot know thought, an animal cant murder someone, animals dont have war, they dont know that they exist etc. they should be shown respect and that includes keeping their numbers down by hunting them
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Post by chica on Jul 3, 2005 19:15:49 GMT -5
you mean to say that they have no feelings???or thoughts? then how do they live? ?? they have thoughts just like the rest of us and keeping their population down for "respect" isn't what is happening. we can use that as an excuse but then why aren't we doing the same thing with OUR population? just because we can start wars and are the main life on this earth doesn't mean we have the right to take control of the other living things. they could take control of us maybe if we didn't hunt them and that is also a very probable idea for hunting. the fear of being taken over like the pharoh in egypt with the jews
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Post by Azan on Jul 3, 2005 20:01:18 GMT -5
im not saying animals dont have feelings, only basic ones such as fear or happyness etc. etc., animals have only basic thought, such as compulsion, they cant make desisions etc. etc., humans are a hundred times more intelligent than humans, an animal is always driven by compulsion, like a dog, when you train a dog usualy he will do what you ask as he knows that by doing it he will recieve food, animals have rights and yes many animals would die off without humans, we hunt because it was neccisary to survive, and now it is merely a sport humans are preditors by nature, this is why we have 2 eyes on the front of our skulls, or why we are consious/intelligent and why we can speak, and why our teeth can rip flesh. In evolution it was all so that we could hunt our prey to live
And a common misconception, the PHaroah had workers build the pyramids, these workers were granted a very high honor in egypt, they did have slaves but not in the golden ages of egypt
and yes humans being consious does mean we cant kill each other like that because then it is murder humans are worth more than animals (and the human population is far from being considered overpopulated, and when the time comes we will have to start stopping it, not by killing eachother but by making people sterile)
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