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Post by Lobstrosity on Nov 20, 2005 19:29:25 GMT -5
And of course there was a point when there was no matter (maybe), scientists will say before the big bang, before that they believe some form of energy existed that collided and formed the big bang, it made something from nothing and many believe that that is god If there was some energy that collided (my theory is that they were basically different dimensions that crossed paths) then matter was not created from nothing, it was created from energy.
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Post by Azan on Nov 20, 2005 20:42:58 GMT -5
Erm yes, misworded but anyways we all have our own theories, and eventualy humanity will find the answer.
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Post by chica on Nov 22, 2005 21:40:58 GMT -5
but there shouldn't even be an answer because it's all just faith. I mean do you believe there is a heaven? how do you prove these things , the existance of a god or heaven or w/e but it's all faith
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Post by Lobstrosity on Nov 22, 2005 23:58:36 GMT -5
Well, there can be an answer. Between faith in God and faith in science, only one answer can be correct. That is the answer we are looking for.
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Post by chica on Nov 24, 2005 16:35:50 GMT -5
well how are we ever gonna prove one or the other? I mean we can't go back in time (yet) and see how the earth was created now can we?
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Post by Lobstrosity on Nov 24, 2005 18:12:26 GMT -5
No, but we already know enough science to tell how the earth was created.
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Post by chica on Nov 25, 2005 18:53:06 GMT -5
but isn't that just an opinion? becuase some people (not me) firmly believe that our world was created by "god"
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Post by Lobstrosity on Nov 26, 2005 20:16:59 GMT -5
Those people are ignorant of the power of science, and choose to believe the less complicated version that "An all powerful being made something from nothing, we worship him for it, he rewards us for believing in him." This makes little to no sense when compared to absolutely everything we have taught ourselves so far. Science is beyond religion for the simple reason that science is proven, and religion is faith.
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Post by Qecbum on Jan 11, 2006 22:40:15 GMT -5
ok you are all wrong the answer is a paridox like for ex
the second statment is true, the first statment is faluse
the question "can god make a bolder so big that he could not pick it up?" is like this if you say yes then god is not all power full but if you say no then yet again god is not all power full what ever any one religeouse belifes are I dont care there yours to belive in how ever you see fit but me myself dont belive in the "GOD" that every one says is the true god I belive in a higher power but not in a "god" persay "gods" maybe cuse there is know way that this all happend by chance. and by all I mean life earth exestance every thing
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Post by Vash on Jan 11, 2006 22:45:38 GMT -5
Its not that he can't make the boulder nor lift it. For one thing, you don't question God nor test his power. For another, he could choose whether or not he could lift the boulder. So in a way, he can both lift it or not, depending on what he chooses. (Not to mention seeing as how Jesus always came back with a smart response to when people questioned him, he'd probably com up with something here too and make you look stupid.)
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jan 12, 2006 16:03:12 GMT -5
And for one thing spike, you should not say "you are all wrong" when there is no way to prove who is wrong and right, and also when you clearly did not read everyone else's opinions.
Furthermore, a paradox is not an answer. People just think they seems smart by having complicated answers for complicated questions.
Vash is right about the paradox anyway (that is if you believe God can create a boulder in the first place (It would be kinda hard for Him to do so if he didn't exist)).
Really the answer as I see it is quite simple. All this happened by chance, and science has all the answers.
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Post by Qecbum on Jan 12, 2006 16:58:29 GMT -5
first of all my name is no longer spike it is Jesus Devil or J.D. but besides that
ok vash you make a good point and so do you Lobstrosity
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Post by Azan on Jan 12, 2006 18:57:56 GMT -5
Science doesnt have all the answers, there is one thing that religion will always be better with than science, and thats telling people how to lead rich and meaningful lives. Which is why we must all live lives of science enriched with philosophy.
In fact the quote "Science and religion are not at ends, science is merely too young to understand"-Angels and Demons this is an excellent quote, religion gave quick answers to a primitive race, and now they can help us in life but science has yet to get to the point where it can explain the big question so its useless arguing about this.
And you cant proove that there is no god, this is according to science's own laws but it wouldnt be right going around saying that God exists and that everyone should warship him either.
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Post by Lobstrosity on Jan 12, 2006 21:58:10 GMT -5
I can't prove there is no God, but there is certainly enough scientific evidence to say he can't possibly have done the things it says in the bible. Laws of conservation of matter and energy, the first and second laws of thermodynamics, all properties of physics all apply, and yes if you believe in God, then you believe he can break these rules, but that's a long shot in my mind.
And science does have all the answers, except science can't tell you how to lead a fulfilling life. That's up to you. But I don't know what you expect, a system of observation, investigation, and explanation isn't supposed to be able to help you live your life. Science is a tool to understand how everything works. Religion is a tool to define how you want to live, but it also tries to take the place of science as the explanation to all things.
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Post by Azan on Jan 12, 2006 22:35:35 GMT -5
I can't prove there is no God, but there is certainly enough scientific evidence to say he can't possibly have done the things it says in the bible. Laws of conservation of matter and energy, the first and second laws of thermodynamics, all properties of physics all apply, and yes if you believe in God, then you believe he can break these rules, but that's a long shot in my mind. And science does have all the answers, except science can't tell you how to lead a fulfilling life. That's up to you. But I don't know what you expect, a system of observation, investigation, and explanation isn't supposed to be able to help you live your life. Science is a tool to understand how everything works. Religion is a tool to define how you want to live, but it also tries to take the place of science as the explanation to all things. "but there is certainly enough scientific evidence to say he can't possibly have done the things it says in the bible" For that part, the Torah was written by and for people thousands of years ago, but yes according to the laws of physics its impossible. "Religion is a tool to define how you want to live, but it also tries to take the place of science as the explanation to all things." I agree with the first part, the second part I wouldn't say is religion, Jesus never told people how things happened, he never gave religious reasons for things science can explain he just taught people how to lead a fulfilling life. The problems with Religion being the answer to all things arise when you include Church, when wealth and power enter something it just totally screws everything up as eventually you get people saying they have all the answers to the Universe, all you need to do is join their Church. I will always choose to keep an open mind, and I do like to think that there is more to the Universe that meets the eye, this includes a belief in God, God doesn't even need to be conscious to be "God" it can be much more symbolic than that.
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